Wednesday, August 02, 2006

How Much Longer...


 

18 Comments:

Blogger AM said...

Allah biya3rif ...

12:55 AM  
Blogger Zee said...

long
long
long
every minute is long

humanity still loves blood and religion
blood of forefathers, or blood on the streets
it's all the same, identical perhaps

humans still crave to be slaves of religion
the Muslims and the Jews being the most retarded
it is just so, nothing will alter it
until all are dead

thereafter the question "how long" will become superficial ... perhaps

6:07 AM  
Blogger Zee said...

I thought I could give you a rosier picture my friend ... but it does not escape my lips, as hard as I try.
Sorry Fouad.

6:11 AM  
Blogger inmotion said...

I don't think this has anything to do with religion per say .. I think its more of somebody feeding their own securities by taking everything out of context ..

both parties are guilty of excessiveness .. yes one more so than the other .. but I dare not lump both these religions as just purely the reason for it ..

its the human darkness that pollutes an ideology or a theology .. and a noble dream..

but you're right .. how much longer until somebody on either side has the courage to stop this and rise above the occasion .. and prove to those who still believe in peace that there is room for it ..

and then we can stop throwing blame around .. and maybe just maybe the rosy dream will lend itself to some of the aspects of our lives

7:50 AM  
Blogger FZ said...

zee, i couldn't help but flinch a little at your "retarded" description... who's more retarded than the president of our country? last time i checked, he wasn't espousing either judaism or islam. :)

but it makes no sense to bicker over religion, when what will alter our course as humans is the cultivation of real empathy, not the furthering of blanket stereotypy

8:16 AM  
Blogger Zee said...

fz
Why do you think the US gives Israel a "carte blanche" no matter what she does and no matter who is the president in the US, hmmm?
Well part of it may be, that the US government consists of more than 50% people of either Jewish heritage or plain old Jews and in the world of finance (which after all is the major propeller of politics) the percentage rate id more like 75%.
I suppose this could have something to do with it ...
Sorry babykaos I love your idealism but you are wrong. Let me see ... for example I can become a Russian, Chinese, Japanese, Norwegian or any old other countries national. Where this doesn't work is in only two places I know of, Israel and Muslim Arab countries like Saudi or Kuwait etc. (I don't know how it works in Africa or in Indonesia) - anyhow it is impossible. You know why?
Simple, I don't have the right color blood!
No, I stick to my "guns" - Islam and Judaism are remnants of the "old ages" of human development simply because they haven't transformed throughout time - they are "stuck" sort to speak.
Hence the bloodshed!
The tragedy with Lebanon is, that it is the only Mid Eastern country who not only tolerated but lived in equality with a mixture of ethnic and religious entities. This is also part of the reason why it is so fragile. And now Israel takes advantage of the weakest neighbor and bombs the place to dust.
Bad karma, stupid retarded and barbaric.

10:16 AM  
Blogger inmotion said...

zee hayete .. I see what you say totally .. I've experienced a whole roller coaster of emotions from July 12th and onwards so much so I'm emotionaly drained

but if I give into thinking what you're thinking it means I've given up ..

maybe you are right .. islam hasn't changed much since it emerged .. I don't know about judaism .. I'm not a jew .. but what has changed is that people are more willing to believe in a unifying bond other than religion at this point .. I hope you're not jaded .. I'd hate to see someone like you jaded .. I don't know you at all but your words reflect a little more love and compassion than the lack of belief in our humanity you may be experiencing

11:10 AM  
Blogger redfox said...

Don't know…but it is already long enough for me...No matter how hard I try to keep motivated (my gym closed, no problem, I'll exercise at home in front of my TV: succeeded twice in 3 weeks- my work: no problem, I can still write: maybe 3 hours in 3 weeks...).
Khalas!! Life seems to have stopped. And the question is not how much longer, because they will stop at one point, in 2 weeks, 4 weeks...whatever…but the question remains: when will it start again. For those of you (like me) who lived the warS...and hoped for the last one to be the last, there was always a next. So, what next? When, against whom and for whom will Lebanon be on fire again??
I'm simply tired...

1:09 PM  
Blogger Coco said...

"How much longer?" Until they try Mel Gibson now for shouting anti-Semitic comments at the officer who arrested him for DUI.

Israel this morning said that it needs a little longer to finish its mission. What's left? A few standing buildings, a power plant, a couple more bridges, a few roads civilians are using to escape, an few clean shores that they didn't find a reason to destroy yet.. a few more hundred innocent casualties which they'll apologize for later and the world will accept their apologies. Until Lebanon is back on its knees in a way that it will take us another few decades to stand up with the help of.. well.. who knows?!

That much longer I think, not more.
uffffffffff ya Allah!

8:19 AM  
Blogger Zee said...

Thanks for the dialog 'babykaos'
I wish politicians and Hezbollah alike would think like you - we would live in a different world indeed

9:17 AM  
Blogger FreeCyprus said...

political maneuverings from Syria and Iran, from The US and The UN, but really they are just sitting on their asses...and the innocent continue to die in Lebanon and Israel

Peace to all who are sick of war.
Peace to all who are sick of bloodshed.

-- FreeCyprus
Hellenc Reporter

6:26 PM  
Blogger Akiva M said...

Zee -

There are Israeli arabs. Israeli muslims. Israeli christians. Israeli athiests, Israeli Ba'hai, Israeli animists, black Israelis, white Israelis, etc.

BTW, I think Ahmadinejad just answered your question for you. When he says things like "the goal is destroying the zionists so we need a cease fire" I'm sure you'll understand why the Israelis are not inclined to be helpful.

10:00 PM  
Blogger laila said...

how much longer until another post?
looks like you're busy these days

10:23 PM  
Blogger FZ said...

Akiva--

I, for one, appreciated and applauded your response to LindaSoG in one of the earlier posts. I hope you don't regress into defensive anger instead of moving forward with a vision of hope.

It's been my experience that many Israelis are aware, alert, and peace-loving.

Here's a transcript of Gideon Levy speakig in a radio interview:

"My main criticism about the Israeli media right now is a very old one, namely ignoring almost totally the sacrifice of the other, the sacrifice of the Lebanese people, the destruction, the killings. All this is covered in the Israeli media in a very, very hidden way, modest way, and really out of proportion, so that the Israeli reader is not really exposed to pictures and reports that the European reader is exposed to. This, I think, is not something to be proud about.


[break]


GIDEON LEVY: There are scenes that we see from Lebanon. We see pictures from Lebanon. It's not that we don't see pictures of Lebanon. But if someone wants really to know how does it look like there, he has to move to BBC or CNN or Sky News or one of those international networks, because in Israel they will show again and again our casualties, our sacrifice, which is very natural and very understandable. The only problem is lack of proportion.

AMY GOODMAN: And how does it relate to Israeli public opinion? Do you think Israeli public opinion would change if the media changed?

GIDEON LEVY: That's a big question that I kept on asking myself for many years concerning the occupation. Would the Israelis know everything about the brutality and the cruelty of the occupation, would they change their mind? It's a speculation. I truly believe that for sure, at least among part of the Israelis, it might have brought to a change in their perceptions, because would they really know how cruel the occupation is, I think they couldn't live in peace with it. And they would have understand that democracy, as civilized society, cannot live with such phenomena in its backyard. But, you know, it’s just a speculation, because the matter of fact is that most of the Israelis are not exposed.

One more remark, you might also say that the Israelis who want to know, they can quite easily know, because if you are really interested, you have the place where to look at, both in the Israeli media and in foreign media. The problem is that most of them also don't want to know. That's the problem.

6:26 AM  
Blogger FZ said...

Zee-

Islam is long overdue for a reform movement similar to what we see in Judaism, and this is starting to happen, mainly in Europe and America.

Not that you hear about this anywhere in the US media.

I'm not minimizing the tremendous influence of the pro-Israeli lobby in the United States, but I think it's also a mistake to ignore the frightening tide of right-wing Christian Coalitions (who think they need the Israelis to fulfill their bizarre religious dreams of the Holy Land).

I have no doubt that at a frightening level, only vaguely more sophisticated in his camouflage than Ahmadinejad, George Bush is operating under grandiose delusions of religious conviction.

6:42 AM  
Blogger Zee said...

I know there are Israeli Arabs and Muslims in Israel, as a matter of fact, they will probably be in the majority in a few years, at least if the present trend continues. But they remain somewhat second hand citizens both politically and otherwise.
For example none of them are allowed to join the military, only Jews hold that "privilege."
Israel is very concerned about the growth of the Arab population within its own borders while "their own" population is in decrease.
They are basically worried that "they" will die out, hence the unfruitful efforts of cleansing, land occupation and other methods of despair.
Think about it - isn't it so ... AKIVA?
Correct me if I'm wrong.

12:17 PM  
Anonymous Israel Is Not a Democracy said...

Not only is there non-equality between Israeli Arabs and Israeli Jews, but there is intense racism between Ethiopian Jews, Iraqi Jews, Iranian Jews, Sephardic Jews and the Ashkenazi jewish population...

7:49 AM  
Anonymous in limbo said...

how long?
when Fairuz finally tells olmert where jisr el lawzieh is found.

8:14 PM  

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